CAM Newsround: Singh-BCA and Tredinnick

My Twitter feed has been full of tweets today regarding the Simon Singh / British Chiropractic Association case and a remarkable press release issued by the BCA, but there have also been several mentions of an MP named David Tredinnick.

First, the BCA press release: Jack of Kent has an account of this disaster. I reproduce below the first paragraph of his post.

In an incredible press release published either yesterday or earlier today, the British Chiropractic Association made the serious and completely groundless accusation that Simon Singh had been motivated by malice in writing his original article.

Jack of Kent has contacted the BCA (and their PR company) to ask for an explanation of this extraordinary press release. Simon Singh now has a decision to make - whether to counter sue the BCA for remarks made in the statement they published. This could be the beginning of the end of the Singh-BCA case. There is a possibility that this incident could even be the undoing of the BCA.

I wonder how the BCA and their members feel about what has happened since they began their libel action. Many bloggers (and this includes me, writing at Stuff And Nonsense) have posted articles about the BCA, about claims made by chiropractors, and about the regulatory body the General Chiropractic Council (GCC). A number of chiropractors are being investigated following complaints made by bloggers such as Zeno and Simon Perry. Mainstream coverage of the case began to appear. Ben Goldacre has more details in his Guardian article about a ragged band of bloggers. The BCA released their "plethora" of evidence - which was promptly dismantled by bloggers. This Lay Science post has links to the relevant posts from the likes of Evidence Matters, Petra Boynton, and others.

And what of David Tredinnick? Well, yesterday in Parliament Tredinnick referred, in the same comment, to "negative information" regarding homeopathy and "an attack on a statutorily regulated body dealing with chiropractic." It is interesting that he believes negative information to be a problem. If it is accurate and truthful, then so what if it is negative? If homeopathy works no better than placebo should we not be told? Should we be kept in the dark?

Well, Tredinnick believes that the negative information specific to the Royal London homeopathic is "disinformation" and presumably believes it is not truthful and accurate. He seems to make no claims as to the accuracy and truthfulness of negative statements about homeopathy, so I shall. Based on what we currently know, it is accurate and truthful to say that homeopathy probably has no benefit beyond placebo effects. It is utterly implausible, and the best evidence we have (in the form of systematic reviews) suggests that the effects of homeopathy are compatible with placebo effects.

There are, however, problems with the MP's comments in the House of Commons other than his views on the accuracy of information about homeopathy and his characterisation of complaints about chiropractic as an "attack" - for example the following comments:

The opposition is based on what I call the SIP formula—superstition, ignorance and prejudice. It tends to be based on superstition, with scientists reacting emotionally, which is always a great irony. They are also ignorant, because they never study the subject and just say that it is all to do with what appears in the newspapers, which it is not, and they are deeply prejudiced, and racially prejudiced too, which is troubling.

It is remarkable that Tredinnick characterises scientists as reacting emotionally in response to complementary and alternative medicine - and astrology - and being ignorant "because they never study the subject" (I wonder if scientists who happen to be Professors of Complementary Medicine are excluded from this particular criticism).
It is astounding that he alleges that scientists are "deeply prejudiced, and racially prejudiced too" and I have to wonder on what basis he makes this claim.

Having read these comments, one may find it hard to be surprised by anything that is said by David Tredinnick. See if this does it:

Whatever one believes personally, the issue [of the impact of astrology and astronomy on medicine] is one that we should look into and consider. We must get away from this awful, mediaeval superstition.

I'm rather baffled as to how Tredinnick can characterise a scepticism of astrology and its effects on medical treatment as superstitious and mediaeval. I've noticed that I can sign up for emails whenever David Tredinnick speaks in Parliament. I have yet to decide whether to do so, as I am unsure whether the result will be a bemused fascination with his overheated rhetoric - or painful frustration.


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Tessera on Thu, 10/15/2009 - 18:22

The impact of astrology on medicine? Virgo - make sure you wash your hands before preparing food today. Aries - you will have measles this week. That sort of thing?

cblock (not verified) on Thu, 10/15/2009 - 18:26

With his noxious blatherings about "racially prejudiced", Tredinnick is attempting, rather pathetically, to curry favour with various minority communities in his constituency (he has a small majority one assumes), whilst trying to portray scientists/sceptics as intolerant and hateful. He's not an evangelical Christian by any chance is he?

Martin on Thu, 10/15/2009 - 18:36

The race card seems to be played a lot with this people. I've noticed quite a few CAMers trying to equate conventional medicine with "Western medicine" or even "white man's medicine." Actually you've given me an interesting idea for a future post...

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Tessera on Thu, 10/15/2009 - 20:37

Ah yes, playing the imperialism card to try and shut down a debate. Post modernists really do need a good slapping. They also need it pointed out to them that a lot of so-called early Western medicine came from Arab scientists.

Tokyo Nambu (not verified) on Fri, 10/16/2009 - 13:04

I really enjoyed:

``In 2001 I raised in the House the influence of the moon, on the basis of the evidence then that at certain phases of the moon there are more accidents. Surgeons will not operate because blood clotting is not effective and the police have to put more people on the street.
I am arguing for more research. I have been criticised for raising the subject, but the criticism is generally based on a misunderstanding. It is based on the idea that I am talking about the stuff that we see in the newspapers about star sign astrology, but I am not. I am talking about a long-standing discipline—an art and a science—that has been with us since ancient Egyptian, Roman, Babylonian and Assyrian times. It is part of the Chinese, Muslim and Hindu cultures. Criticism is deeply offensive to those cultures, and I have a Muslim college in my constituency.''

It's hard to imagine how you can pack more nonsense into one paragraph, even if you're doing it deliberately as an exercise in packing nonsense into paragraphs. With friends like this --- literal moonbats, it has to be said --- the CAM lobby hardly need enemies. Like Hamlet, they deconstruct themselves.

Martin on Fri, 10/16/2009 - 13:18

"Like Hamlet, they deconstruct themselves."

That has to be one of my favourite lines from any comment on this site! Totally agree.

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Kate (not verified) on Fri, 10/16/2009 - 20:03

Please, please do!

Kate (not verified) on Fri, 10/16/2009 - 20:08

Argh, that reply was meant to be to Martin: 'The race card seems to be played a lot with this people. I've noticed quite a few CAMers trying to equate conventional medicine with "Western medicine" or even "white man's medicine." Actually you've given me an interesting idea for a future post...'

Sorry!

Andrew (not verified) on Sun, 10/18/2009 - 15:45

Let's also remind ourselves that rather than pester NICE to investigate the role of astrology in healthcare, Tredinnick did it himself and put the £700 of software and consultancy on his Parliamentary expense account.

I don't mind if the odd MP has funny ideas and raises them occasionally then gets annoyed when they're shouted down. That's to be expected. But you don't take out a chunk of public money and take matters into your own hands like some Parliamentary Judge John Deed. It's not an MP's job to decide what is and is not true.

David Colquhoun (not verified) on Sun, 10/18/2009 - 16:56

Quotation from BBC, and from dcscience.net.

"David Tredinnick is an old style Conservative MP, being an Eton-educated former Guards officer, who has sat in the Commons since 1987.

However, his ambition for high office was thwarted by his role in one of the sleaze stories which helped to sink the Major government.

He accepted £1,000 from an undercover reporter to ask parliamentary questions about a fictitious drug. "

James Cole on Sun, 10/18/2009 - 19:31

Thank you all for commenting.

As well as the post on DC's Improbable Science linked to in the above comment, there are posts about Tredinnick on the Quackometer, Gimpy's blog, at Stuff And Nonsense, Ambriguous, and Majikthyse available via BadScienceBlogs. [The link I've provided is to a page of results using "Tredinnick" as a search term on www.badscienceblogs.net]


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